Networking and the healing properties of cheese

Speaker 0 00:00:00 Okay then. Okay. Speaker 1 00:00:03 I really feel like we need a jingle. I agree. I feel like Speaker 0 00:00:07 I have a jingle already. It's pretty crappy. Does it happen? Well, I think you need alerts. Speaker 1 00:00:13 I think you need to network to get a new jingle, which brings us into our topic for today. I really want to talk about networking. What do you guys think? Speaker 2 00:00:28 <inaudible> Speaker 0 00:00:53 Not really. I don't know if I've ever really done it. I've never had to Speaker 1 00:00:58 Officially network for myself. I love networking. You get amazing food. I do love networking because I mean, that's a plus, but if you're going to feed me like an endless supply of cheese, I'm going to come. Like I just need to know that there is going to be some sort of cheese there. And if it's Vermont extra sharp white cheddar, then I will absolutely come. I will be there 20 minutes early and I'm not really to anything. Speaker 0 00:01:26 So have you ever become president the way to get state secrets is jeez, Speaker 1 00:01:32 I want to say no, but the, yes. Speaker 0 00:01:41 Have you watched the, uh, house of cards? Speaker 1 00:01:44 The first two seasons and then I couldn't really get into the third season, but that first season, I think I had to watch that first episode, like three times before I was like, what's going on here? Speaker 0 00:01:54 It is so good. Speaker 1 00:01:56 I love that. She's precedent now. I'm sorry for someone. Is she president? I don't know. I haven't watched it. I'm just going off of what I've read. I'm sorry. I'm not even being paid for that. I am here at my own will and you're going to kill it. Speaker 0 00:02:12 I've got to cut that out at first of all, you ruined, you were in the rest of mine. Speaker 1 00:02:17 It's true. I just read an article here or there and it's always like, what's going to happen. Cause didn't they have to kill him off what's Oh, Kevin Spacey's character. Hello that after the show station thing. So Greg texted me a couple of days ago. It's probably 7:00 PM. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is down. I'm like where? Literally 24 hours ago. I know she's okay. I'm like, okay. And I was like, you reset your alerts because there is something wrong with your breaking news is coming to you about 48 hours too. And it's just at work the next day I was terrified. I thought she actually likes something happened to her. Like I was about to be like, go take my kidney. You probably don't want it. But like take my kidney, protect her at all costs. Speaker 0 00:03:14 I literally got that alert and I texted you immediately. And I'm like, we save her. She's like, where have you been? I'm like, what are you talking about? Speaker 1 00:03:23 I Googled it. I was driving home to New Jersey to visit my parents. And I pulled over when I saw that text because I was like, I swear to God he died. I I'm going to lose it because I love Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She is, you know, people say like heroes. She's my Shira. Like she's my female hero. I love her so much. She is. So bad-ass how old is she now? Don't let's not talk like this. Okay. She's like she's forever 45 forever. Speaker 0 00:03:55 She looks so good for her age. She's working out more than I do. She looks amazing. Speaker 1 00:04:00 He's like pumping Lily. She's doing TRX. And I don't know if anyone's ever done TRX, but that is hard. That is not easy. Speaker 3 00:04:08 Yeah. I'm like six days a week, but I would not even try to do that. Speaker 1 00:04:11 Bless you. I'm eating chocolate six days a week. And on the seventh day it's wings and pizza, the cheese, cheese is a given. That's like my Speaker 0 00:04:20 Favorite food group. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:04:22 Like I can't exist without cheese. I was eating tacos last night. And my boyfriend's like, it is absurd. The amount of cheesy, but on it. And I'm like, yeah, I just like cheese. You live with me. You know this. And he's like, I don't, I don't know. Like he's like, I've never seen someone put cheese on chicken tacos. What? Like cheese on everything. Speaker 3 00:04:45 I don't think I've ever seen a taco without cheese on it. Speaker 1 00:04:47 Thank you. So Danny, if you're listening to this, you are wrong and I am right. Speaker 3 00:04:54 We put cheese on a chicken taco, like Speaker 1 00:04:57 Yeah. Yeah. It makes everything better. This whole entire, we were going to talk about networking. Now we've really gone off the chains. Just networking is better with cheese. So I don't think Speaker 0 00:05:08 That far off. Right. That's true. So we've come full circle now. She's makes networking better. We've established that. Yeah. 100%. So wait, somebody said they hate it. Networking. I hate networking Speaker 3 00:05:22 Because I don't like talking to strangers really. I don't like the whole aspect of walking up to somebody and introducing myself to them and saying, Hey, this is what I do. And this is what I want from you. Speaker 1 00:05:34 But it doesn't necessarily have to be like that. It's kind of like, do you know when you're in elementary school and you're kind of put into a new classroom, what's like your first day of third grade. And you're like, I don't know if I'm gonna like this teacher. I don't know who this kid is next to me. I just moved to the school district. You're like forced to talk to people and you're forced to make friends and you're like, ha ha, let's go down the slide together. It's kind of like that. I feel like, I feel, at least for me, it is where I just like to go in and say Speaker 3 00:06:00 Like, this is a very different third grade experience. Speaker 4 00:06:05 I think it's, I think it's a lot easier than that because in third grade you're stuck with those kids probably for the whole year in networking. If you don't like those people, you'll never see them again. That's true ever again. Speaker 1 00:06:16 Well, I think there's Walton networking as well. So you have this whole idea of going into this place and meeting a bunch of people and it can be super overwhelming because especially given if you know the names of the people that are going before, like, Oh, the CEO or the general counsel or someone who is doing something you really want to do, is there beforehand, you kind of dwell on that and you psych yourself out. So for me, like the easiest way for me to network, it was just to go in completely blind and just act like they all want to meet me and my cheese. And now it's my job to go get my cheese back. Speaker 4 00:06:55 So you need the cheese defender whenever you go to network. Speaker 1 00:06:58 Yeah. It always comes down to the cheese. That's just what we need to know. Speaker 4 00:07:03 See an ad out there for cheese defender. You know, I mean, I went to a networking event this morning. Um, the, the one thing that bothered me was just the time to prep. I was not prepared, I think enough because it was so early. I definitely prepare it a lot, but the time in the morning it was 7:00 AM. So I was not at my top of my game. Some people are really early risers on, I'm not one of those. Um, I'm probably better at round 1:00 PM. Um, which is weird because a lot of people are not better at won't be on this lunchtime. They go to sleep, they eat cheese, stuff like that. Speaker 1 00:07:42 I mean, there's never a wrong time being cheese. I'm not going to say you can only eat it after one. But like Speaker 4 00:07:50 Now if you go to a networking event, it's a little different than I think what you're talking about. You're talking about just randomly going up to people and Speaker 3 00:07:58 Yeah. See, I think in a, in an event where networking is the goal or the purpose, it's easier. Cause you're, I dunno, you're all there for the same reason, but if you're going to an event and you tell yourself, okay, I'm going to network before I, or while I'm there, then that kind of situation is something that I personally would probably never do because I wouldn't even know how to do that. Speaker 4 00:08:21 I could give us some pointers on that. Speaker 1 00:08:23 I think the biggest thing to kind of have in your back pocket as a personal brand, you have, everyone has that one thing they're super good at and that they feel really, really comfortable talking about. So I think a big thing when you're going into a networking event and you're going there with a purpose, whether it be to get a job or to make some sort of contact, to close a deal, that it's super important to find that one thing that you're really comfortable talking about and push that to the forefront. So for me, I'm very comfortable with public speaking, which is kind of crazy because I think a lot of people aren't, I'm very comfortable in that aspect, but that doesn't mean I'm confident. I'm actually terrified. I'm having that confidence in saying, okay, I'm up here for a reason. I'm in this room for a reason. Speaker 1 00:09:10 This is what I'm bringing to the table. That really helps. So it really does come down to what are you good at? What's your strongest skill, and you're going to use your strongest skill and you're going to mask your weakness. So my weakness is not talking. I love to talk. I can't sit in a chair for too long. I love to like socialize. So I'm going to use that to my advantage. I'm going to get up. And I'm also going to see like, okay, there's like a sales aspect towards networking. And then there's like, you have to know the material and like knowledge. So that's like part sales, part knowledge. And yeah, you know, you have like this whole new craft, know your craft. Exactly. So you need to know what you're really good at. And you want to talk about that lead with that. I'm not going to leave with my weakness when I go into a conversation Speaker 4 00:09:58 That can work in certain situations. Um, it's really about what the situation is calling for. You know, assess the situation, figure out who you're speaking to, who you're trying to. I don't like saying sell to because nobody likes to be sold to, but who you're trying to connect with, it's really about figuring out what they need and what you can offer to, to help them. Speaker 1 00:10:18 And that's a good point about selling yourself without really selling yourself. So how do you go up to a person and say, I really want a job. You just posted on the internet, but I'm not going to come right out and say it to you. So what do you do? Do you connect on LinkedIn and say, Hey, you know, I saw I met you here. We had a great conversation. Really appreciate your insight. Can you grab coffee and talk more one day? And that actually works nine times out of 10, because if you leave a flattery, people are going to be like, wow. Okay. I'm, I'm good. How do you feel about elevator pitches? I think there's a time and place for them Speaker 4 00:10:56 And networking instances. When you have to give a 32nd synopsis of who you are, what you're offering. Speaker 1 00:11:02 Well, let's see, when you guys have gone to networking events, have you ever had to do that in person? I've never personally had to do that in person. And if I have done that, it's been in a different setup where I w that was my job giving those kinds of pitches. So I used to do pharmaceutical sales. So elevator pitches were my job, but once I went to law school, I don't think I ever gave an elevator pitch outside of an interview. Speaker 4 00:11:29 But I think you are giving elevator pitches like on a regular basis because when you try to interact with people on a especially people you don't know, you'll have a limited amount of time to connect with people. Usually, especially if people are so busy and they're running all over the place, you just probably have a minute or less to connect with that person. That's an elevator pitch to me, I think in your personal brand, you should have your own personal elevator pitch that you're always to put out and promote yourself. And in a way that's very favorable to other people. And you may have multiple ones for the situation and person that you're speaking to, or the people you're meeting. You may need a different elevator pitch, just like resumes. You may need 25 resumes and cover letters. You may need a hundred cover letters to get the type of job that you want. Speaker 1 00:12:14 And here's a good pointer. Don't make all your cover letters the same, make sure you go through them and you really tailor them to your job because that's really important to do that sound like common sense. Common sense. Yeah. And there are times, I mean, I've, I'm guilty of doing that. And that's how I learned for the hard way when I sent the wrong cover letter with the wrong resume. And I felt like I'm like an idiot. And I was like, well, I'm definitely not getting the job. And guess what? I did not get that job. I didn't even get an interview, but it was a job I was truly qualified for really I'm if you, sometimes on LinkedIn, you can see how many people have applied for the job. I think there had been like a three applications at this point, and I'm not saying that there wasn't applications that were coming in from another way, but I use one of those where they call them like the LinkedIn InMails to like push it through. And I sent the wrong cover ladder. And I was like, I felt like an idiot. I really did because, and I don't blame them because I, if that was me on the other end recruiting out of them, like, who is this person? They put the wrong name down. And that's just, that's like a stupid, lazy mistake. Right. And that's just like a big no-no, but it took me doing that to make me more aware of being like, okay. Speaker 4 00:13:32 Yeah. I feel like you should always have a 32nd elevator pitch for yourself. Personally. Think about it. 32nd intervals. You may meet somebody that you want to connect with. You may meet somebody that you want to work with. They're not going to have all the time in the world to give you, so you need to get your points across and who you are in 30 seconds or less. People are running around in 10, second intervals. Think about Twitter. How many characters is Twitter? Speaker 1 00:13:59 160 let's count one of Donald Trump's tweet two to two 80. He's been tweeting more. Cut that back. Isn't that? The reason why they gave them more characters? I miss the old Speaker 3 00:14:12 Actually I think so. I mean, I'm thankful because now I don't have to reduce things to stupid abbreviations, to like make a coherent thought. But Speaker 4 00:14:22 Is it worth hearing more from our commander in chief? Speaker 3 00:14:26 No, but personally I think that someone should have taken his account. Oh wait, like two years. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:14:31 How does he have a Twitter account? Okay. Let's talk about networking on social media and you know, this is a great segue networking and social media, Twitter, and not the way to network. No, I don't think so. I think, well, I'm going to take that back. I think Twitter could be a good way to network, but I think it's difficult to network on Twitter than it would. I don't know. Now Speaker 4 00:14:56 I would say Instagram is probably not a good way. Instagram is definitely not a good Twitter. Speaker 3 00:15:00 Probably be a good networking platform for people in the entertainment industry. Like if you're an artist of some sort, I think Twitter would be effective, but as far as sales and business, I don't think that Twitter would be a good business. I feel like all social media kind of, yeah, isn't really the way to go. But like, if you're in more of like the arts and entertainment, I feel like that's really how you connect is through like social media. Cause like artists meet artists and that's how you get like those big, you can get like all those big Facebook groups and stuff like that. And it's like, or even like the poster child for social media success is Justin Bieber. He was found on YouTube. So that's true. Speaker 4 00:15:39 I disagree. I would say that LinkedIn is a very good networking. Speaker 3 00:15:43 I think LinkedIn is, is also, but it was also purposely created for that. Whereas Twitter is just a basic social media platform that I think other, if you're have, it works for, um, marketing and branding and things like that, but networking, not so much. Speaker 1 00:16:00 I find myself going on LinkedIn less and less because it's starting to turn into a Facebook. I see I'm seeing like a lot of personal posts where like a lot of pictures of like individuals that things, I think it's fine to put a picture of yourself up from an event, but I don't need to, I'm not going into LinkedIn to see what your newborn child looks like, and I'm not going on LinkedIn to figure out what your political views are. I'm going on LinkedIn, because I want to see what you're up to professionally and see how, what I do could connect with you. So I feel like LinkedIn has kind of lost its way a little bit, and it's turned more into like a hybrid of Facebook and Twitter. But Twitter is also interesting because while you can interact with a lot of people, it can really backfire on you. Like, I think people forget that everything you put on social media stays on social media. It's never leaving. It's there forever. Speaker 4 00:16:55 I enjoy Twitter because I find that you think a little more about what you're putting out there because you have limited amount of space to put stuff out there. So you have to be a little more clever. Speaker 3 00:17:07 I think like one cool thing about Twitter is that recently at least people will call you out, I guess for saying something that's factually incorrect or maybe socially irresponsible or something like that. So people are problem. I guess that there was with social media is that people no longer had to be accountable for the things that they said. But now the culture in social media is shifting and people are being forced to be held accountable for things that they've said, and there are different artists or social influencers or other people who have these big social networking platforms who, um, before they were famous, they said something stupid or ignorant in like 2012. And now that tweet is blowing up and their careers are getting ruined because they said something stupid before anyone knew who they were. And that way, yeah, you do have to think more about what you're saying because you could, I don't know, get publicly humiliated on the internet Speaker 1 00:17:58 And you're not. You're being held accountable both personally and professionally. Now that line, once you put something on social media, it's no longer your own personal message. It's, it's a public message it's out there. It can be searched in Google and you can hire people. All you want to try and clear the searches. It's just never going to work. It's always going to be there because of a thing called screenshots. Speaker 4 00:18:19 That makes me feel shameful because of my space. Speaker 1 00:18:23 We're hearing curious in your top eight Speaker 4 00:18:26 Spaces out there somewhere, was it Speaker 1 00:18:28 Top seven or top eight? For my space. Top eight. Okay. Can you believe like they actually made you publicly rank your fast? What are you doing, Tom? Why? Where is Tom? These days is, was Tom even a real person? I'll never forget. Doesn't just like own it now. T-shirt right. Yeah. And he's like looking over his shoulder, like ha I'm Tom. And I'm going to publicly make you rank your top friends. He's everyone's first friend, first internet friend. If people complain that I have too many friends, Tom, from my space as the most friends I've ever like seen, Speaker 4 00:19:05 He was the ultimate catfish. Speaker 1 00:19:07 I wonder what he really looks like. Do you think he looks like that picture? Do you think that's really him? I don't know. That's a good question. You should call it. I'm always so curious as to what the people who are behind these social media platforms look like. I don't know why. I don't know why that Speaker 4 00:19:24 Does a hamburger. Hamburglar actually looked like the hamburger. Speaker 1 00:19:27 I love the Hamburglar. He was my main bread and the man. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great question that we should do a whole nother show on that. We should get like a McDonald's executive in here to explain. Speaker 4 00:19:42 Oh my goodness. That would be incredible. We would ask the tough questions that no one else would ask. Speaker 1 00:19:49 Yeah. Like what's the secret salt on the fries because Wendy's fries. Aren't as good as McDonald's fries. Neither burger King's fries. I don't like burger King to begin with though. Chick-Filet is where it's at for me. No Chick-fil-A wow. Wow. You take that back right now. Take that back. No, I'm personally offended. I'm done with this. Yeah, Speaker 4 00:20:11 But that's that's lower level, fast food. Speaker 1 00:20:14 What? They have unsweetened ice tea that is brewed fresh every day. Speaker 4 00:20:20 If it's unsweetened, why drink it? Why are you crying? Speaker 1 00:20:24 I, I thought I knew you. I thought we were friends. You could put cheese on anything. Greg, can you put it on ice? Unsweetened ice tea, but it probably wouldn't be very good, but like you can, I'm just, I'm shocked. Like I really thought we were. I thought I knew you more than this now. I'm just so like, I've never felt so disappointed in someone. Okay. Speaker 4 00:20:44 I am very, very disappointed. It ticks away. I it Lena, Speaker 1 00:20:48 What? I'm disappointed in you. I've never had chicken. What we are going there for now? Speaker 3 00:20:56 Well, I'm a vegetarian. So my options are very limited. Speaker 1 00:20:59 Why they have like the superfood salad. It's not real. It's not real chicken. You are disparaging. Chick-fil-A at this point, I need to leave. I can't. I'm not going to stand for this. Speaker 4 00:21:12 Think about it. Scrub Chick-fil-A it's not even proper spelling. Speaker 1 00:21:16 Well, I will say that. Okay. <inaudible> you've been eating fake Chick-fil-A I don't know where you been going, but it's been fake Chick-fil-A, which is why you're saying it is a perfectly pickled brined piece of chicken lightly breaded. No, it's delicious. Speaker 4 00:21:34 You will not change my mind on this. Speaker 1 00:21:37 I would rather I will Speaker 4 00:21:39 Eat a chicken sandwich from taco bell before I eat it. Speaker 1 00:21:43 What is wrong with you guys? Anyone who tells you talk about growth is just not your friend object to that because I had tacos. Speaker 3 00:21:52 Well, once and then I had the runs for five days afterwards. So we'll have Speaker 1 00:21:56 Three fried beans that does that. Speaker 4 00:21:58 I will say that. Talk about his breakfast is trash. Speaker 1 00:22:03 I'm not going to talk about for breakfast for breakfast. I mean, I, I eat a taco for breakfast today. Not a lot. Speaker 4 00:22:17 So in terms of networking, Speaker 1 00:22:21 Well, what I suggest don't eat tacos and then go to a networking event. Speaker 4 00:22:24 That is great advice. Do not eat tacos and then go to a networking event. Your colleagues will. Thank you. Speaker 1 00:22:32 Yes. I always take it. I want to like circle back to the elevator pitches. Um, we CA I, you did a great job at describing them and I want to kind of disagree with you a little bit on it. I don't think you really need an elevator pitch. I think you need to find something that humanizes both you and the person who you're networking with that kind of creates connection and makes you stand out from everyone else. Speaker 4 00:22:58 Right? But that assumes that you have the time to do that. Now I'm talking about meeting somebody for 30 seconds. Most people don't have the time or the patience to sit there and connect with you on a human or professional level. You need to hit them fast to get them interested. I don't know what I'm talking about. Speaker 1 00:23:14 If I feel like if someone was elevator pitching me in 30 seconds, I'd have tuned out very quickly because it's like for most people, it's just a reset, re recitation re citation, recitation, recitation, resuscitation recessive. For most people, they're just reciting their resumes. Yeah. They're just, they're reciting their resumes. And to me, it's like, Speaker 3 00:23:42 I'd like to argue that your approach on who you're approaching, because if you're like, for example, she thinks that it's better to make a connection with the person that she's approaching, but you think it's better to sell yourself? Well, she's a woman and you're a man. Speaker 0 00:23:55 I will, I will, I will completely agree that it's better to make a connection with a person. Speaker 3 00:24:00 It depends on like, not necessarily like the gender of who you're approaching, but I think it depends on like the, for one, the field that you work in, that's relevant to how you pursue this. Because if you're in sales, then maybe you do want a 32nd elevator pitch because that's your job is to sell things. So you need to be able to sell yourself. But if you're trying to get a job in, like, I dunno, somewhere in humanities, then maybe it is better to make an empathetic connection with the person at first, initially, Speaker 0 00:24:26 This is why you have multiple elevator. I can't say that word. This is why not multiple elevator pitches. I do agree that it is better to make a personal connection with people. But the argument here is that people don't always have that time. And if you want to connect with that person, you need to hit them over the head quickly, before they go away. Speaker 3 00:24:50 I connect with them. Then maybe you could just find one commonality. You know, one thing that you and this person have in common, even if it's like the CEO of some big corporation and your level worker, Speaker 1 00:25:01 Hey, we're from the same hometown. That's yeah, we went to the same high school, or like I saw that's not an elevator Speaker 0 00:25:10 Because you still have to get them to engage you. So, Speaker 1 00:25:13 Okay, me too. Maybe we both have different definitions of elevator pitches. An elevator pitch is trying to sell something. I disagree. It's like, you're basically going in there and you're like, Hey, between floor lobby to floor 19, I'm going to sell you on myself. That's what I think of it in the elevator pitch. Speaker 0 00:25:35 He, the original definition of that. I'm thinking of it more like a way to connect with people versus Speaker 1 00:25:41 I think we need a call it a 32nd trial. That's perfectly fine. Yeah. That's probably easier to say too. Yeah. After this, we're going to make Greg listen to Rhianna's umbrella practices. Speaker 0 00:25:55 Umbrella. Speaker 1 00:25:58 Yeah. I just, I think like an elevator pitch has like almost a negative connotation to it. Speaker 0 00:26:05 I'm sure. You're right. <inaudible> I actually agree. 100. Speaker 1 00:26:12 Yeah. I think elevator pitches has a negative connotation to it. And I think when people, when you, if you tell people you need to create an elevator pitch, they're automatically going to be like, how do I recite my resume in 30 seconds? Instead of being like, yeah. Instead of being like, let me research who this person is that I really want to go meet and let's connect. And you know, another way to kind of create a really good elevator pitch. If you just are being dragged to a networking event, which happens all the time, you end up going to a networking event. One, your colleagues is dragging you there. And you're like, I really don't want to go, but there's going to be good cheese. You, you know, you're listening to someone talk and you're like, wow, I want to get to know those personal and more on a professional level. Speaker 1 00:26:57 And you recite something that they said to you. So the best thing you can do when you're networking is listen is just to shut up and listen. Because if you're interrupting someone constantly, if you're monopolizing the entire conversation, the only thing they're going to remember you as someone who didn't care about what they said, and frankly you're going there to network with them. And yes, they're there to network with you as well, but you want their help. So if you're trying to go and network with someone and you want their help, listen, that's the biggest thing you can do is listen. Remember certain things that they said and bring it out. And if you can't get to them later on, if they're like up there and they're doing a speech or like some sort of like conversation, a panel, whatever, email them, I can't even tell you how many times that I've spoken on a panel and people have emailed me and said, Hey, you said this about yourself. I, you know, can you, can we grab coffee and talk more? And that means more to me than someone being like, I really liked your panel. Can we talk to me? Speaker 4 00:27:56 Email is the ultimate elevator pitch. So now pronounce the word. Speaker 1 00:28:04 So, okay. So talking about emails, how does everyone sign off their emails? Like do you just write regarding, thank you. Sincerely depends on the content of the email and who I'm writing to. Okay. So if you're doing it in a professional setting, my, my go-to is warmest regardless. And if anyone else takes that, I'm going to be really pissed. But I usually, if I'm asking a question or for a favor, I'll say, thanks for your time. Or thank you. Otherwise I'll say best regards. Speaker 4 00:28:32 There's actually a science to all this. There's a lot of studies. Speaker 1 00:28:35 Okay. Well, can we cut out my warmest regards? Cause now I don't want anyone talking about it. I don't want anyone taking it. My next email is going to have them. Now. My requirements are more than anyone. Else's mine are the warmest, warmest, regards, warm mist of all their guards regards. She's your guys. I love cheese, cheese. That's so gross. That's so good. Speaker 4 00:29:00 Um, so personal branding in terms of networking, how important is it? Speaker 1 00:29:04 I think it's incredibly important. I think how you dress even to like for females, like the way your hair is, if you're wash your hair, it's a good thing. Or get it blown out, do something look professional, you know, look professional. You don't want, you don't like your makeup to be smeared, but more so, aside from the looks, it's how you present yourself. You want to be seen as someone who's confident. And he wants to be someone who they've remember Speaker 4 00:29:32 Beyond the physical element of this in terms of personally branding yourself as a business person, entrepreneur or whatever it is you want to brand yourself as how Speaker 0 00:29:42 Important is that in terms of connecting with people and networking? Speaker 1 00:29:47 Well, when I'm at a networking event, I want to talk to people who look inviting. So, you know, having a personal brand and understanding how that brand connects, look, I'm a lawyer and lawyers tend to be on the colder side. So for me, my personal brand is I'm a very warm and inviting person. I'm going to listen to people talk, I'm going to nod my head. I'm going to let them know that I am listening. And to some that means more. And that's more memorable than to some people who are just standing there and are like silent and okay. And you know, just waiting for you to finish. So I think there's a personal brand with regards to what you're doing professionally, but then there's also a personal brand personally. And mine is just this obscenely happy, warm, and inviting person, which I get annoyed by sometimes because I'm like, I don't want to be happy right now, but as Greg can tell you, I'm always happy. Even when I'm not happy, Speaker 0 00:30:50 The happy monster. Speaker 1 00:30:53 Let me just give you some background. Greg hated me. When he first met me, he's going to deny it and say, he didn't, he hated me. Absolutely could not stand me. He was like, these are not vicious lies. And then one day I walked by him and I was like, I'm gonna go get ice cream. Would you like ice cream? And he was just like, no, apparently you, you said, you said no to me, she's trying to poison me. You know what I did? I was like, I am reworked in the same group. And I was like, it was me, Greg and another guy. And I was like, I'm going to make him my friend. So I went and got him ice cream and I put it on his desk and it melted because he wasn't there. But he saw that and we became friends. And the next day he left me a pack of gummy bears on my desk. Speaker 0 00:31:43 Here's the creepy part of this story. If someone you don't know gives you ice cream or something like that, I personally don't eat it. Greg Speaker 1 00:31:50 Was like six foot five I'm five feet tall. Okay. I look, well, I asked why the best way to get in Speaker 0 00:31:58 Exactly. <inaudible> Speaker 1 00:32:03 I'm not legitimately five feet tall. I could look like your four year old sister. Speaker 0 00:32:07 I'm probably going to poison me. That's just the way that works. If you are going to take it personally offended, Speaker 1 00:32:15 People have all the best ways to get away with it too. Do you guys watch Vanderpump rules? Unfortunately, Stasi Schroeder is this character on there? She's not a character. She's a real person I am. But she talks about how she would come. Speaker 0 00:32:30 That you have to say spoiler alert Speaker 1 00:32:33 And alert and see if you're listening to this by any chance. I love you. You're great. Keep it up. Um, but Staffie had like this incredible epiphany that the perfect way to create a murder was to create an ice pick that was so sharp. And you stab him with that. And then the ice picked melts and they will never have. Yeah. And I was like, how did I think about this? Not that I would ever do that, but like, right. It's like death. I feel like the one problem with that is that what if it melts in your hand and it slips and you can't actually like efficiently stab them? You know? I think I, well, I never really thought this through, like, I've never stab a person before, but I feel like, unless you get like a perfect, like one hit angle, it takes a few times actually also, but like a candy cane, like when you're eating a candy cane, you get it to like the perfect shanking point and then it breaks off. And you're like all that hard work for literally nothing Speaker 0 00:33:37 Sounds like tales from prison. Speaker 1 00:33:40 Well, I mean, I've never been to prison, but like, I feel like I've watched a lot of how do you whittle a toothbrush? Speaker 0 00:33:48 Like I'm assuming it's probably like on Speaker 1 00:33:50 The concrete. Well, you know, I watched prison break that I was like, Oh my God, that was such a good show. Did you watch the, he gets to watch the robot except spoiler alert. The revival of prison breaks sucks. Don't waste your time. It's terrible. I'm so disappointed because that was such a good show. Every single person on that show was good-looking. I love the main character. He played, um, captain cold on the flash and they had like, his weapon was freezing people <inaudible> no, but I legitimately loved prison break. I loved that show. I was like, great show. It was a good show. The other show, I really liked the good wife. I thought that was a great show. And I, I was walking in Soho the other day and I saw Julianna, Margulies walking with like her child and her dog. Her dog is super cute by the way. But she is the most beautiful person I have ever seen that she was not wearing. She is, and she was not wearing any makeup. And she just had her hair pulled back and she was stunning. So Juliana, if you're listening to this as well, like keep it up. You look so good. Speaker 0 00:35:02 Yeah. You're killing it right early. ER, was a great show too. What was your, what was that? What was I thinking about? I lost my track of, because of the spoiler alerts and prison break. No, not because of prison break. It was Juliana was mad. It was Giuliani. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:35:23 All right. So let's talk about LinkedIn a little bit more LinkedIn. You can make, have you, okay. Let me start this way on LinkedIn. Do you guys all have LinkedIn profiles Speaker 0 00:35:33 Are better than others. Speaker 1 00:35:34 Okay. Call me out. Are your profile is private or part or public? Um, public. Public. Okay. So did you know you have a private one? Why do you have a private LinkedIn profile? Speaker 4 00:35:47 It's for strategic reasons? What are those strategic reasons? I don't like certain people looking at my stuff. Speaker 1 00:35:56 Okay. Greg is very secretive. Speaker 4 00:35:59 I am a very secretive person. It must be all those years, Speaker 1 00:36:03 But I, I feel like when your LinkedIn profile is private, you're doing yourself a disservice. Speaker 4 00:36:12 That's the thing about LinkedIn is that you can make certain areas of your profile, private and certain areas, public, Speaker 1 00:36:20 Private, Speaker 4 00:36:22 Everything prior to my current position. Speaker 1 00:36:24 Okay. I guess that would work. And did you know that like on LinkedIn, you can, if you check a box, you can show up in Google searches. Yes. Okay. I uncheck that box. Why? I don't know. Speaker 4 00:36:39 No reason just unchecked. It just cause we felt like it. Speaker 1 00:36:43 Is it that you come up in a Google search for your name or first comment? Yeah. Well, it comes up from my name and I have a very famous name. I'm named after the head of parliament in India. And I get weird messages a lot on every social media platform. They're inappropriate. Yeah. I don't want to put that out there in the inappropriate they're they're inappropriate. Not something I would ever feel Speaker 4 00:37:12 It's is so weird. Just randomly, you know, Speaker 1 00:37:16 I'm also confused. Cause I look nothing like the head of parliament in India, literally nothing. I think she's also like a foot taller than me. We don't look anything alike. Yes. You have to be significantly younger than her. Right. Um, you're named after her. So it's just, it's weird. And these people talking to me as if I'm her and saying these things. Yeah. And they say these things or it's like you're catfish without even trying. I know it's weird. Speaker 4 00:37:48 Yeah. In networking, how important is going outside your comfort zone? Speaker 1 00:37:54 Oh, it's super important. You have to be outside your comfort zone. I mean who's comfortable walking into a bar. I mean, I am, but like on the whole, I think most people are not comfortable. And there are times where I'm uncomfortable, where I feel very intimidated because of the quality of people that are in the room and you know their titles. But you know, you got to push yourself to do that and you have to push yourself to do things. I used to be terrified to speak publicly. Now I love it. And it comes just so naturally for me. And it's not, you know, it really is. Practice makes perfect with a lot of those things. So if you to go to more and more networking events, you're also going to see it. The people at those networking events overlap, and they're really going to get to know you. They're going to remember you and then you're going to get, you never know, like I received job offers because they had met me a couple of times where like I thought of you when I saw this come across my desk, are you interested? You just, you never know. Speaker 4 00:38:59 So for people who are uncomfortable in networking, they should really go outside their comfort zone Speaker 1 00:39:04 That yeah. You just have to practice. Speaker 4 00:39:06 There you go, go out there and practice. What do you recommend for practicing besides going to the actual networking event Speaker 1 00:39:13 To a bar and like talk to people, but yourself in situations where you're forced to talk to other people. So if your friends are going out with friends that you don't know, that's networking, right? They're not working. Doesn't have to be just professional. Like if you're moving to a new city, how are you going to make friends? You're going to join a recreational sports team. You're going to like find a hobby or to take like workout classes, introduce yourself to the person next to you. And every time you do that, it gets so much easier. And a big thing I can tell you all is that people often overlook the people who are in lower paying jobs, doorman, elevator attendance. You can't do that. If you, if you continue to do that, you are never going to get anywhere in life because those are the same people that if you need help, they're going to be the first people there for you Speaker 4 00:40:04 Say those people have the keys to everything as well. So if you want info, that's where you go. Speaker 1 00:40:09 And also it's just nice. Like you don't need to be rude to a dorm sake. It's it takes literally no effort to say thank you. Or to get to know someone whose name we were Greg and I worked in the empire state building for five years and I knew all of the doorman, all of them. And it was weird because there was like 80 of them, but I knew them and it like made it a point to do that. And it, they always like, if there's a long line, the big, Oh, Priya, come here, come, come on. We'll get you in. Right. Speaker 4 00:40:41 New York city is such a weird city in terms of doing things like you're saying, we're just generally abrasive. Speaker 3 00:40:48 Yeah. One time I remember I was walking down the street and like, I never say hi to people when I walked down the street. But for whatever reason, I like just waved at someone and smiled and said hi. And the guy was so taken aback by it. He was shocked that I acknowledged him. And I was like, no, it was normal. It was normal interaction, thankfully. But I was like even shocked at myself that I took the time to like acknowledge him because I never do that. But yeah. Speaker 1 00:41:11 I mean, I acknowledge every dog. So like, if I can acknowledge all the puppies on the street, I can acknowledge all the people on the street. It takes an eat. It's just even eye contact, smiling. It makes a difference in their lives too. Right? Speaker 3 00:41:25 Yeah. No. And I think, especially in a place like New York city where everybody is abrasive being the one of few people who is not that way really stands out to people Speaker 1 00:41:34 As well, willing to talk to people, personalities. How do I, I very easily, very easily. Speaker 0 00:41:40 It's very interesting because to me on a daily basis, and I'll just throw this out, New York city subway, that's the end of my way. Speaker 1 00:41:48 Look, I'm not saying I don't get frustrated at situations. It's how I deal with things though. I I'm, I get very frustrated and if I'm stressed out, it's not like a good situation for me. But I think at the end of the day, like people are just trying to do their jobs and everyone is in the same boat. If we're getting on the subway and it's a crowded subway, I don't want to be there. The other people don't want to be there. Like, why am I going to make it more of a miserable experience for someone else? Speaker 0 00:42:15 I'm not saying you in general. Well, Speaker 1 00:42:17 That's just my outlook on it. So if someone else is miserable and is like screaming at me or something, I can either, I have, I have a couple options. I can either yell back. I can walk away or I can smile and laugh. Speaker 0 00:42:31 So let's say you get on the subway and it's jam packed. You're right in the middle. And a situation occurs where you can escape. So you just had the worst day of your life. How do you deal with that? I would probably just ignore them. Okay. That's I mean, that's easier said than done sometimes. Right? Speaker 1 00:42:51 Um, uh, it depends cause I can be silent, but I'm also, I can be very snarky. So I might say something sarcastic back if I'm having a really bad day. But most of the time, like if a stranger says something like I'll laugh. Like, like if they say something as directed, like I don't mind laughing back or like talking like some people don't interact at all with them. I was like, yeah, that's funny. Speaker 0 00:43:11 You get the Goldstein's right where it's like, people don't exist. Speaker 1 00:43:15 Yeah. It's like, everyone's like, whenever someone hops onto this away car and they start making an announcement about how they need money or they're selling something and everyone's just like awkwardly trying not to make eye contact and like looking around on the subway card or like on their phone or whatever, waiting for the person to move on to the next level. The car. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:43:32 Yeah. The other day I got on the train because the other day I got on a train and somebody was blasting music. So I'm like, I can say something, I can move to the next car. So I moved to the next car, literally in the next car, somebody started blessing me. And I'm like, what is happening right now? So what's the next car lo and behold, somebody else blast the music. So at that point I'm like, Hmm, I have two options here. I can either say something, grinning Barrett. I chose to grin and bear it that day. Um, doesn't always happen for me. Speaker 1 00:44:04 I'm surprised because you are not a grid embarrassed. Speaker 0 00:44:06 No, not usually first things that come to my mind Speaker 1 00:44:10 For anyone who knows Greg, if you want to know who I am as a person, I'm the complete opposite of Greg opposite of him in every, like the way we look, the way we act our personalities. Speaker 0 00:44:25 It's not as bad as she's saying just to put it out there. Speaker 1 00:44:28 No, we, we get along very well. Greg is one of my closest friends and I would do anything for him. I just have zero tolerance for bullshit. Well, I, I think it's fine. I have a zero tolerance for bullshit as well. And I will never stand that. I will never stand for anyone bullying someone else. I that's a hard line for me. You, if you cross that, there's no coming back. And I think part of that is just who I am. I mean, it's not part, it's just who I am like. That is where I will speak up. If someone is saying something derogatory or you know, hurting the other day, I was walking in this woman was yelling at this teacher and in New York city, when you have goal kids going out and they're like kindergartners, first graders, they are all required to wear these fast and they hold hands. Speaker 1 00:45:17 They hold hands and they kind of walk. I mean, I've seen them. Yeah. First of all, compare it. They walk in pairs and they all are like, they're kind of all leashed together, you know? So you can't grab one and run because you're taking them all. Um, it's like, it's almost like a Douglass and they're all holding off. They're all holding onto this. And you know, it's just, and it's cute. They're like little ducks. And like the teachers are the mama duck. That's really sweet. And um, you know, if you, if you're walking down broad street where the stock exchanges, they kind of have these like bronze little statues that are in the middle of the sidewalk. I don't know what purpose they serve except to like impede the flow of traffic. This little girl was time her shoe. And this woman turned to the, you know, like you couldn't walk by, you had to wait for her to tie the shoe, not a big deal. Speaker 1 00:46:05 Like she's like six. Like she probably just learned how to tie her shoe. There are times where I can't even tie my shoe, but like this woman's screaming at this teacher saying like, this is so inappropriate. You're making me late to work. And I'm like walked in on her side of the street and get another sidewalk. Like, it's just so easy. And it's like, why do you in New York city feel like you can say those things and act that way when you would never act that way in the suburbs. Like I w like I can not imagine this. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like that woman would never have yelled at a child on a, saw on a sidewalk in the suburbs who was just like, Speaker 3 00:46:47 I agree, because I think that in New York city, it's so easy to get caught up in the atmosphere of like, I need to do this. I need to get there. Like, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need like your inner rush. Like, it's all about what you have to do today, where you have to be et cetera, because that's what everybody's doing. And everybody like has their own individual lives and schedules to attend to. So it's hard to like, remember that. I don't know. There's something other than your work life. Like, I would say that I wouldn't see that in the suburbs because I would expect like a woman who's on her way to work. And late, first of all, she probably wouldn't be in that situation. Anyway, she'd be driving a car. Speaker 1 00:47:29 What do you mean exactly? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:47:30 I mean, like not, not in New York city or surrounding areas. I'm not talking about like Westchester. I'm talking about like upstate New York. Speaker 4 00:47:40 I mean, that's a phenomenon that's unique to New York city, I think. And Los Angeles and stuff like that. Speaker 3 00:47:46 I think it's exactly what you said that in New York city, you think you're the most important person in the entire city, because that's just how everyone thinks. And I think people fail to understand that it's not just about you. Yeah. And I think that it's, it's not really like an everyone thing. I think that that mentality is probably more apparent in like high-ranking corporate kind of people, people that work in that sort of an atmosphere, because they're so like, it's all about like entitlement. If it's all about, it's about entitlement, it's about, I don't want to say career obsessed, but essentially career obsessed. Everything is about like deadlines and efficiency. And so when you mess with their routine for 30 seconds, you throw off their whole day and they don't know how to deal with it. So they just explode. Speaker 4 00:48:30 I think I can agree on one level of, of that assessment. But another side of that, I don't totally agree. Certain people just are unable to deal with certain things and it doesn't matter where they are. I can make an example of where you'd be driving through the suburbs as we call them. And people will curse you out from their car. Is that just a road rage thing? I don't know if that's necessarily true. Speaker 3 00:48:54 That's just New Jersey. So yeah, I was just gonna say <inaudible>. I think that's, uh, well, I think road rage is also a separate thing because people, I think you're more likely to curse someone out from the safety of your car than from right in front of their face. You know, <inaudible> also like this just really bothered me because it was a little child and it was a woman who just had like a complete disregard for the fact that like, this was not convenient for the teacher either. And you know, the it's hard enough wrangling one child. I have twin nieces who are seven. And let me tell you, trying to get them even to take them to go get ice cream. Like they're so excited. It's like, it's just not going to happen because they all over the place. But so I can't imagine doing that with 25 30. Speaker 3 00:49:42 It's a high, stressful job. It's not easy. And it's just like, come on, like, relax, just take a deep breath. I think talk that might be the difference between the city is there's so much lower tolerance for either young children or people with disabilities that are just, I don't want to say in the way, but creating an inconvenience for other people just because of their disability or because of the fact that it's a six year old girl that needs to tie her shoes for two minutes. And people in the city are less accommodating to things like that because their reaction is, and I've witnessed, this happened several times. You know, somebody is yelling at another person for being too slow or being in the way and the other person replies, Oh, well I'm old or, Oh, well I have a cane, whatever. And the other person says, well, you're Speaker 1 00:50:28 In the wrong city then. And that's just not an appropriate way. So I'm on new. Like, you gotta be better. Yeah. I love New York city. Like this is truly my home at this point. When I first moved to the city, I hated it. I'm from Philadelphia and it's just, it's a lot smaller. And now I love New York city and it's Oh, please Speaker 0 00:50:50 World champions, Speaker 1 00:50:52 The world champion Philadelphia Eagles. It feels so good to say that. And I'm going to continue to say that until February of 2019 when I Speaker 0 00:51:02 <inaudible>, Speaker 1 00:51:05 But I hated it in New York and New York. I really love it. Now this is my home, but I just wish that like sometimes people treat each other a little bit better in New York, but now we're really off the topic of now. Speaker 0 00:51:18 So the moral of that story is treat people better, slow down. Speaker 1 00:51:22 Well, you can do a whole entire podcast on living in New York. Speaker 0 00:51:24 Yes. And we should. So let's wrap this up though. This is, I don't know what we're even talking about, but Priya is very good at wrapping things up in bowls. So rapid into cheeseball. Let's get this thing going Speaker 1 00:51:40 In my nice little cheese bow. I think the biggest thing to take away when you're in networking is be confident. Just be yourself, be confident in who you are. There might be someone who has more experience on their resume, but they're not you. And that's so important to remember that you bring something to the table that's different than anyone else figure out what that is and play that up. And your weaknesses will always take care of themselves and your weaknesses. Aren't always going to be weaknesses. They'll eventually become your strengths. Speaker 0 00:52:08 Yeah, I agree. Don't be afraid to go up Speaker 1 00:52:11 My philosophical where it's for the day. My last name is Gandhi for a reason. Speaker 0 00:52:21 We need to have some sound effects in the end of the <inaudible> because my last name has got me. I don't want to hear it anymore. Speaker 2 00:52:32 <inaudible>.